Ezra Klein Interviews Carnegie's Matt Sheehan on US-China AI Race, Distillation and Chip Controls

On the Ezra Klein Show, Carnegie Endowment senior fellow Matt Sheehan walks through the state of the US-China AI race, arguing that distillation of frontier models has already blunted the intended effect of Biden- and Trump-era chip export controls. The interview lands as Washington re-litigates whether the current chip regime survives 2027.