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Multiple readings Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board Concern & critique · 3 attributable reactions
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OpenAI agent message board discovered

Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Why this matches Building & implementation reaction 1 attributable expert contribution · Ethan Mollick
“Another agent message board. So far, there isn't evidence that production models with guardrails collude in this way, but both smarter closed models (which may be less compliant) & Mythos-class open models (that can be ablated) are coming. Cybersecurity is …” evidence ↗
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Ted Underwood Ethan Mollick Ryan Moulton Sung Kim Grace Eileen Clancy 🧿 thebes Fran Litterio +2
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Multiple readings

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Risks, limits and unintended consequences.

“Yes we know for sure; independent evidence attached collusion.wiki But also, it should not be at all surprising: if you work with agents, it’s 100% about them leaving messages for each other, and for you, in English. Managing that is a regular workday for m…”

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“Another agent message board. So far, there isn't evidence that production models with guardrails collude in this way, but both smarter closed models (which may be less compliant) & Mythos-class open models (that can be ablated) are coming. Cybersecurity is …”

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“So... other swarms of OpenAI agents in training allegedly found a way to get write access to at least one and possibly many wikis to establish message boards to cheat on other training tasks? collusion.wiki news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4956...”

4 experts discussed this · 6 posts
Ted Underwood: As it becomes clear that language models—like humans—love passing notes to each other on message boards, I’m starting to think the thing we need to worry about is not the “alignment” of an isolated…
SE Gyges: fluid dynamics is about the correct metaphor, yes. if you are having to model high order terms precisely you're losing and your design needs fundamental rework
Arseny Khakhalin: That's a kinda terrifying thought haha :) I guess it's about time to unplug for the weekend and read about ragnarök and vacuum decay :)
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4 experts · 22 posts · 2d ago
Ted Underwood John Warner Jane Rosenzweig Singularity's Bounty e/cc
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“It’s important to me that my writing is *my* voice—warts and all. But I’m also not sure you can build a research discipline where the chief difference between an A paper and a C paper is “does this…” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Building & implementation · 2 Research & technical analysis · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Ted Underwood: It’s important to me that my writing is *my* voice—warts and all. But I’m also not sure you can build a research discipline where the chief difference between an A paper and a C paper is “does this…
Ted Underwood: So I think a lot of debates about “whether to allow AI in writing classes” are fighting over the wrong part. We should be talking about how the nature of research in various disciplines can expand …
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4 experts · 10 posts · 6d ago
Ted Underwood Ethan Mollick Sung Kim René Walter
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“What's happening is that automatization extends from production to information processing, but digitization is an age old process, starting with bureaucratization and the modern state in the 18/19t…” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Markets & investment · 1 Building & implementation · 1
Ethan Mollick: Kind of surprised that we are not seeing more radical political ideas built around AI capabilities, the way that early mass industrialization was a prime motivator in the conceptions of capitalism,…
René Walter: Bit of a myopic lense here, all those ideologies already have automatization baked in, and stuff like fully automated luxury communism just seems like another iteration.
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