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OpenAI math research misconduct allegations

OpenAI’s latest math breakthroughs commit research misconduct, experts say

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Why this matches Questions & unknowns reaction 1 attributable expert contribution · BostonJoan 🏳️‍🌈 🦫
“OpenAI claimed their products have solved several complex math problems, so what’s the issue? OpenAI just took credit for work done by humans without proper citations. When people in my field do that, they get tenure. Hahaha Red more: www.scientificamerican…” evidence ↗
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Emily M. Bender Timnit Gebru joao Olivia Guest BostonJoan 🏳️‍🌈 🦫 Eileen Clancy 🧿 Tommy Löfstedt René Walter
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“OpenAI claimed their products have solved several complex math problems, so what’s the issue? OpenAI just took credit for work done by humans without proper citations. When people in my field do that, they get tenure. Hahaha Red more: www.scientificamerican…”

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Timnit Gebru: These men who say factually and technically wrong things with such confidence are so fascinating to me. HE doesn't know what a language model is and thinks that OUR formulation is wrong. Because HE…
Timnit Gebru: Emily Bender is a more patient person than me and has written a Frequently Unasked Questions about this. I have seen a whole bunch of people saying this like its some gotcha talking point they've a…
Timnit Gebru: We even DEFINED what language models are in our paper and gave their history.
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14 experts · 130 posts · 16h ago
Marc Lanctot Olivia Guest Sarah T Roberts, PhD Pwnallthethings Mike Caulfield Colin Adam Wiemerslage rev. howard arson
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“So I’m not going to argue the point, but if they *exhibit* understanding of everything except parens, what don’t they understand? Can you copy paste elisp in and they will explain what it does? Hum…” evidence ↗
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Sarah T Roberts, PhD: Try teaching college students. You won’t be quite so dismissive then.
Pwnallthethings: I think the "LLMs can't reason" stuff is mostly sophism these days. They plainly do not "reason" in the way humans do, and are certainly not always correct or good at it, but they are also doing th…
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3 experts · 23 posts · 1d ago
Benjamin Riley Colin René Walter
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“Can I say that a magic 8 ball has no qualia? I guess not really but I’m quite confident saying I don’t think it does.” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Opportunity & adoption · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Colin: Huh? I don’t think either of these is true. I don’t think LLMs are indistinguishable from sentient things, and I also never thought sentience was a prerequisite for code completion or theorem provi…
Colin: I don’t think sentient beings have a “regenerate response” button. I don’t think their states are fully determined by a handful of tokens. They live in the world and navigate space and time like th…
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2 experts · 13 posts · 1d ago
Pwnallthethings René Walter
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“What is the difference between "reasoning" and "reasoning-mimicry"? I'm not sure if that difference exists in a thing that sends language objects back and forth.” evidence ↗
René Walter: What is the difference between "reasoning" and "reasoning-mimicry"? I'm not sure if that difference exists in a thing that sends language objects back and forth.
René Walter: roon on the other site recently wrote that it's not clear how useful the non-anthropomorphical way to describe LLMs is if the behavior LLMs show is itself anthropomorphic. How useful, or harmful, i…
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2 experts · 21 posts · 11d ago
Matthew Kirschenbaum René Walter
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“Are interpolatable archives plugged into each other communicating?” evidence ↗
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René Walter: Are interpolatable archives plugged into each other communicating?
René Walter: True communication happens intersubjectively, and AI agents are not subjects with intent. There must be an "I" transmitting an internal reality to a "You". So, what are thousands of AI agents doing…
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2 experts · 15 posts · 16d ago
Andy Masley René Walter
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“Yeah but have you looked at the specific reasons why in this link? Only 14% say their opposition is driven by negative views of AI” evidence ↗
Andy Masley: Well yes I agree this leaves open the chance that this could be about AI, but I think it's also evidence against the idea that this is a general backlash against the four companies actually buildin…
Andy Masley: Yeah but have you looked at the specific reasons why in this link? Only 14% say their opposition is driven by negative views of AI
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