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Multiple readings Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board Concern & critique · 3 attributable reactions
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OpenAI agent message board discovered

Discovery of a new OpenAI agent message board

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Why this matches Building & implementation reaction 1 attributable expert contribution · Ethan Mollick
“Another agent message board. So far, there isn't evidence that production models with guardrails collude in this way, but both smarter closed models (which may be less compliant) & Mythos-class open models (that can be ablated) are coming. Cybersecurity is …” evidence ↗
10 experts 5 communities 1 sources clustered
Ted Underwood Ethan Mollick Ryan Moulton Sung Kim Grace Eileen Clancy 🧿 thebes Fran Litterio +2
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Multiple readings

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Risks, limits and unintended consequences.

“Yes we know for sure; independent evidence attached collusion.wiki But also, it should not be at all surprising: if you work with agents, it’s 100% about them leaving messages for each other, and for you, in English. Managing that is a regular workday for m…”

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“Another agent message board. So far, there isn't evidence that production models with guardrails collude in this way, but both smarter closed models (which may be less compliant) & Mythos-class open models (that can be ablated) are coming. Cybersecurity is …”

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“So... other swarms of OpenAI agents in training allegedly found a way to get write access to at least one and possibly many wikis to establish message boards to cheat on other training tasks? collusion.wiki news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4956...”

4 experts discussed this · 6 posts
Ted Underwood: As it becomes clear that language models—like humans—love passing notes to each other on message boards, I’m starting to think the thing we need to worry about is not the “alignment” of an isolated…
SE Gyges: fluid dynamics is about the correct metaphor, yes. if you are having to model high order terms precisely you're losing and your design needs fundamental rework
Arseny Khakhalin: That's a kinda terrifying thought haha :) I guess it's about time to unplug for the weekend and read about ragnarök and vacuum decay :)
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5 experts · 67 posts · 16d ago
Ted Underwood jake Shriram Krishnamurthi Arseny Khakhalin Singularity's Bounty e/cc
Matches Building & implementation
“Not a good argument: *if* 95% of their customers loved it, they wouldn’t waste time making a button for the 5% who don’t. But I actually agree with your main point: the AI integrations by Google an…” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Building & implementation · 1 Opportunity & adoption · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Ted Underwood: The recent popularity of the move to blame AI firms for ineffective *marketing* is mostly: a) a lot of people now realize they were wrong to spend 3 yrs insisting the tech was useless + b) “I was w…
Ted Underwood: A blunter way to explain 3 years of controversy: these products were and are genuinely problematic. Making hard problems easier is not useless. But it has very awkward effects on education and will…
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6 experts · 23 posts · 11d ago
Mark Riedl Ted Underwood Pwnallthethings tachikoma B! 🐝 Cavello (they/them) brennan
Matches Building & implementation
“Or are we already building that? I am kind of gaming illiterate beyond Sim City, Civ, and hazy memories of Bioshock.” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Concern & critique · 1 Building & implementation · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Ted Underwood: People who know about game design: Do you think open-world procedural narrative on the fly is bottlenecked by hardware, or is it a situation where players just don’t in practice want the openness t…
Ted Underwood: Or are we already building that? I am kind of gaming illiterate beyond Sim City, Civ, and hazy memories of Bioshock.
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4 experts · 22 posts · 2d ago
Ted Underwood John Warner Jane Rosenzweig Singularity's Bounty e/cc
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“It’s important to me that my writing is *my* voice—warts and all. But I’m also not sure you can build a research discipline where the chief difference between an A paper and a C paper is “does this…” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Building & implementation · 2 Research & technical analysis · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Ted Underwood: It’s important to me that my writing is *my* voice—warts and all. But I’m also not sure you can build a research discipline where the chief difference between an A paper and a C paper is “does this…
Ted Underwood: So I think a lot of debates about “whether to allow AI in writing classes” are fighting over the wrong part. We should be talking about how the nature of research in various disciplines can expand …
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4 experts · 39 posts · 17d ago
Ted Underwood Tim Kellogg brennan Nafnlaus 🇮🇸 🇺🇦
Matches Building & implementation
“i can’t speak authoritatively, but this feels like it gets into my brother’s forté he’s trying to build things with nitinol, which are good specifically with stuff like this afaik nitinol is good f…” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Research & technical analysis · 1 Opportunity & adoption · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Tim Kellogg: my brother sent me this CAD model. i have no idea what it is, looks cool i guess. he said it took Opus 5 about 90 minutes to produce it. While there are errors, it would’ve taken a human engineer a…
Tim Kellogg: how do you know? you know what it is, with all the details he needs?
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4 experts · 15 posts · 13d ago
Ted Underwood Tim Kellogg Miguel Alonso Jr. jake
Matches Building & implementation
“i’ve been using prime-agent. i think they might have fixed codex so it doesn’t suck, but unlikely claude code does a fantastic job with dynamic workflows” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Building & implementation · 1 Opportunity & adoption · 1
Tim Kellogg: i’ve noticed with Sol on high or xhigh, if you give it a task that doesn’t require intelligence, it will turn it into a task that requires intelligence it’s honestly a really good idea to keep all …
Tim Kellogg: pretty sure i’ve seen the same thing with Terra/xhigh, i don’t think luna/xhigh will do it though symptom: a very easy task takes 2 hours
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4 experts · 10 posts · 6d ago
Ted Underwood Ethan Mollick Sung Kim René Walter
Matches Building & implementation
“What's happening is that automatization extends from production to information processing, but digitization is an age old process, starting with bureaucratization and the modern state in the 18/19t…” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Markets & investment · 1 Building & implementation · 1
Ethan Mollick: Kind of surprised that we are not seeing more radical political ideas built around AI capabilities, the way that early mass industrialization was a prime motivator in the conceptions of capitalism,…
René Walter: Bit of a myopic lense here, all those ideologies already have automatization baked in, and stuff like fully automated luxury communism just seems like another iteration.
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4 experts · 13 posts · 11d ago
Ted Underwood Meredith Martin Aram Sinnreich Matthew L. Jones
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“The paleography is real. Some students have an accommodation so have to be issued airgapped computers. The Faraday cage around the building is on my to-do list.” evidence ↗
Multiple readings Concern & critique · 1 Research & technical analysis · 1 Questions & unknowns · 1
Ted Underwood: As promised, stealing this idea. Will the fact that the essay is about cyborgs make the whole thing more awkward? Less so? Idk.
Ted Underwood: I think I will recommend that students use feedback not to “polish” or “correct” their first draft but to add dialectical tension and conflicting perspectives.
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4 experts · 13 posts · 14d ago
Ted Underwood Alexander Hoyle James Tauber Federico Pianzola
Matches Building & implementation
“As a “release early; release often” open source developer used to “working with the garage door open”, I miss academia not working that way (especially in some of my fields of interest).” evidence ↗
Reaction converging Research & technical analysis · 3 Building & implementation · 1
Ted Underwood: Right now what researchers care about is publication; review is just an obstacle in the way. But actually human review is the scarce commodity. We need a world where ~anything can be published, but…
Ted Underwood: People have been talking for a while about post-publication review or open review, but the place I think those schemes tend to stumble is they try to give it to everything, and it needs to be scarc…
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